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Postby PSO on 02 Jul 2003 17:57

Flanker wrote:
Scorpion wrote:The Typhoon wasn't developed for supercruise but he's able to do that. What you believe is your thing, what's fact the other.


Hello!

Do not be agressive, Sergey is not alonge here

Now, English may only be my first language but it appears to me you're telling Scorpion to "shut up" and that you agree with Sergey when he says I quote:
SergeyLazarev wrote:I dont believe that EF-2000 can do on supersonic speed that without reheat.


So I say again, either be more careful when replying (if that's not what you intended to say) or quote the BAE, EADS, Alenia, RR, MTU, etc. engineers which have said publically the Typhoon cannot maintain velocities in excess of the speed of sound without the need for reheat.

And I really don't much care what you think of me ... I'm getting very tired of trolls posting here concerning other aircraft and how superior they are to Typhoon. There are plenty of boards out there to post that sort of thing, this is a board about the Typhoon itself.
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Postby Zen on 02 Jul 2003 17:59

The onset of the effects of limit of compressibility can be delayed over a swept wing, straight wings can go supersonic as you should know they simply encounter the effects of compresibility earler.
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Postby Flanker on 02 Jul 2003 18:12

PSO wrote:So I say again, either be more careful when replying (if that's not what you intended to say)


OK, may be you are right.
Scorpion and I were quite friendly with each other before so I do not think he got it as 'shut up'.
Also, you should have noticed the 'smile' I put.
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Postby Scorpion on 03 Jul 2003 05:55

@Flanker
Scorpion and I were quite friendly with each other before so I do not think he got it as 'shut up'.
Also, you should have noticed the 'smile' I put.


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@VASS
I wrote about lose of supersonic speed in intensive maneuvr combat, when aircraft has great attack angle, extend flaps, or\and wintips.
Especially, without reheat.


That's right, but as said supercruise is used for cruising and in BVR combat where no intensive maneuvering is neccessary. You should also realize that high AOA's are only reached during manovres with low speed. The cobra for example can't be flown at higher speeds than around 450 km/h.
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Postby Scorpion on 03 Jul 2003 08:04

You ever heared about AA-refueling?
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Postby Zen on 03 Jul 2003 09:34

Mig31 is not noted for is maneuverability at any speed.
Su27 has a longer unrefueled range than Typhoon but it is far better to speak of ROA (radius of action) on a given mission profile than range.

Russian fighters must cover a greater volume of air to defend Russia than we require to defend the UK or any European country.
But the greater endurance requires a larger fuel fraction (of the total weight/volume of the plane) and this makes for a larger machine. Larger aircraft tend to be easier to pick out with radar.
In all aircraft design there is compromise between varying factors. No aircraft is 'perfect'.
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Postby Scorpion on 03 Jul 2003 09:37

Right that it solves not all problems, but it can be usefull to enlarge the range and endurance. The aircraft needn't to heading home, land and then takeoff again.
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