Typhoon export prospects snapshot

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Re: Typhoon export prospects snapshot

Unread postby Jon Lake » 03 Feb 2013 01:31

Mr_Breaker wrote:funding problems for the RAF?

http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/ ... nding-plan

Unfortunately for the export prospects of the Eurofighter Typhoon, the addition of “multirole and ISTAR capabilities” remains unfunded for the time being. AIN believes that this includes the long-awaited AESA radar.


Pah! Apart from Storm Shadow, RecceLite, etc.
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Re: Typhoon export prospects snapshot

Unread postby LightningF2A » 03 Feb 2013 02:26

Jon Lake wrote:
Hmmm. So dissatisfied that they're talking to the UK rather than the Italians who are lead nation in Kuwait, or just a load of old nonsense.....?
It makes more sense to talk to someone that knows more... You'd choose Fernando Alonso over Timo Glock if you wanted to know how to win races and a Formula 1 World Championship.
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Re: Typhoon export prospects snapshot

Unread postby LightningF2A » 03 Feb 2013 02:34

Isn't Saudi Arabia helping the UK with the bid for Kuwait?...
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Re: Typhoon export prospects snapshot

Unread postby InternationalPirate » 05 Feb 2013 02:46

Spain's offering 18 Tranche 1 units to Peru at 45 million Euros each.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... ru-381843/

Spain offers Eurofighters to Peru

Spain's government has tendered a proposal to its Peruvian counterpart covering the possible sale of 18 Tranche 1 Eurofighter combat aircraft currently in service with its air force.

Reportedly valued at €45 million ($61 million) per aircraft, the proposal was submitted at the request of the Peruvian defence ministry. If negotiations go forward, the intention would be to transfer all of the fighters to Peru within one year of a contract signature. The airframes have flown an average of around 600h each, sources suggest.


Seems that Spain is desperate to get rid of its Typhoons. Adding 20 or more used Tranche 2 units to the Korean sales would greatly boost the Spanish Typhoon bid in Korea, as the Koreans are desperate for new airframes to replace the 200 or so retiring jets.
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Re: Typhoon export prospects snapshot

Unread postby Bledlow » 05 Feb 2013 11:20

Your proposal makes no sense at all.

Spain is desperate for money, not desperate to get rid of Typhoons. The Air Force probably had to be dragged kicking & screaming to the discussions. I reckon this is just in the hope of getting money to put towards the Tranche 3 Typhoons. Better them than a squadron of Tranche 1s.

Disposing of all of T1 (& the number mentioned is all Spain's remaining T1s) would reduce the variability in the fleet. Disposing of part of the T2 fleet wouldn't.

For Spain to be "desperate to get rid of its Typhoons", it would have to be desperate to get rid of its air force. The Mirage F1s & F-18s are from 25 to 38 years old, & Spain has no money to buy anything other than Typhoon. At least with Typhoon some of the purchase price is spent in Spain, & the treasury gets some tax revenue. With any other type, all the cost would be pure loss to the economy & treasury.
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Re: Typhoon export prospects snapshot

Unread postby G777 » 05 Feb 2013 15:13

Spain is desperate for money, not desperate to get rid of Typhoons.


Thats what I said to somone else aswell. Poor Spain, but I guess those Typhoons will need a new home if Spain cant keep them. What condition will their airforce be in.
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Re: Typhoon export prospects snapshot

Unread postby InternationalPirate » 05 Feb 2013 16:04

G777 wrote:
Spain is desperate for money, not desperate to get rid of Typhoons.


Thats what I said to somone else aswell. Poor Spain, but I guess those Typhoons will need a new home if Spain cant keep them. What condition will their airforce be in.

If you thought the conditions in Greece were bad; it's worse in Spain.

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There is no money to maintain those Spanish Typhoons, so just not having them saves billions of Euros.

And who's gonna attack Spain if Spain had only 20 Typhoons? 20 is enough for Spain.
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Re: Typhoon export prospects snapshot

Unread postby LightningF2A » 05 Feb 2013 17:29

InternationalPirate wrote:
There is no money to maintain those Spanish Typhoons, so just not having them saves billions of Euros.

And who's gonna attack Spain if Spain had only 20 Typhoons? 20 is enough for Spain.
What on Earth are you on about, InternationalPirate? Are you suggesting Spain get rid of their entire fleet of Typhoons, make more many highly skilled workers unemployed from the air force, possibly pull out of the Eurofighter Consortium which would have a negative impact on the production of Typhoons in the rest of Europe, which in turn would would result in Spain being much worse off because they've cancelled the rest of their orders of Tranche 2s and 3s (Umbrella contract ring a bell?) and maybe, certainly, result in more unemployment drops in their aerospace industry... etc. Thats just a mere summary.

And who would by the rest of Spain's Typhoons and possibly even their share of production facilities for the aircraft? It certainly wouldn't even be South Korea...

You haven't really thought it through have you. :roll:
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Re: Typhoon export prospects snapshot

Unread postby InternationalPirate » 05 Feb 2013 19:11

LightningF2A wrote:Are you suggesting Spain get rid of their entire fleet of Typhoons

No, just keep 20.

And who would by the rest of Spain's Typhoons and possibly even their share of production facilities for the aircraft? It certainly wouldn't even be South Korea...

Spain's trying to do exactly that, passing off its Tranche 3 commitment of 20 unit to Korea. The Spanish Typhoon assembly plant would then close and move to Korea to build the remaining 40 units there. This is what that "$1 billion Typhoon Assembly Plant" in the offset offer really is.
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Re: Typhoon export prospects snapshot

Unread postby LightningF2A » 05 Feb 2013 21:22

InternationalPirate wrote:Spain's trying to do exactly that, passing off its Tranche 3 commitment of 20 unit to Korea. The Spanish Typhoon assembly plant would then close and move to Korea to build the remaining 40 units there.
So, they shift work which is badly needed in country... to South Korea, resulting in rising unemployment figures...

This is what that "$1 billion Typhoon Assembly Plant" in the offset offer really is.
Yes, a heavy loss for Spain. Funny, there was no mention of moving this $1 billion Typhoon Assembly Plant from Spain to South Korea earlier, a new plant yes, but not this.
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